Religion Online - Scientology vs. BBC via Youtube.

In case anyone missed this little story on Nightline last night, i thought I'd record it here:

"John Sweeney is famous for confronting despots, championing lost causes and traveling through the streets of Harare, Zimbabwe, in the trunk of a car. But faced with Tommy Davis of the Church of Scientology in Los Angeles, he totally lost his cool.

Today video footage of Sweeney screaming at Davis is on YouTube, taped and posted by the church.

Sweeney was "video ambushed" while on assignment for the BBC in Los Angeles to investigate the Church of Scientology and the accusations from some quarters that it is, or was, a sinister cult."

I think the role of Youtube here is important. It's being given credit as a kind of 'democratizer', of weight and import equal to a BBC documentary... as though the religion in question now has the ability to fight back by presenting its own perspective.
The reality is, I think, the online video sites will never carry the weight of broadcast television, simply because of the makeup and habits of their respective audiences. As an example, I spend many hours online everyday, and heard about this conflict on a news-rag television show.

Unfortunately, the ABC website doesn't include the youtube clips in question. The BBC Site has plenty of useful clips, but not the stuff straight from youtube.

On Youtube, you can find alot of chopped up clips and parodies, the whole thing is as muddy as Hades. What follows is the clearest re-hash of the conflict I could find. No surprise, it's a clip from the BBC news:



Here's the Panorama documentary in 4 parts:









Now, YouTube does make some contribution. It allows me to show this to you, to select what I think is interesting, etc... But so much of this story is created and framed by the television documentary makers, that even the original Youtube clip of Sweeney losing it has become part of the larger story the BBC wants to tell, and not, as the Church may have wished, the gateway to its "BBC-Panorama Exposed" website.

The Scientologists do have their own documentary on that site about how bad Panorama and Sweeney are. It's sort of interesting to watch... like watching one of those infomercials about how the FDA is keeping secret herb remedies off the market or whatever. But I can't imagine anyone is clueless enough to imagine this rejoinder will do anything but highlight precisely the kind of creepy behaviour the BBC documentary discusses.

Anyway, despite all the talk about Youtube's contribution to this conflict, I don't see it has done much to change how this will actually play out. The importance of Youtube manifests itself in quite a different way, allowing every Tom, Dick and Harry to get their own two cents in on the argument by way of video responses and replies.

A Sample:

Confessional

Get Religion has an interesting post on the phenomenon of online confession sites.

The article, Where's the Forgiveness? , cites a recent Miami Herald news item by Jennifer Lebovich and provides links to a number of the better known sites trafficking in sins both large and small.

This is of interest to me, mostly, because it highlights the transformation going on in religiosity in response to modernity and information technology. Confession is a highly charged topic in the history of religions, and a number of different faiths have approached it from a variety of angles. It is interesting to see this most basic of social identity processes (transgression, punishment, repentance, forgiveness, acceptance) playing out anonymously online.

The significance of the alteration is difficult to be confident about. Is it the same if your confession is anonymous, performed in isolation, with an indeterminate audience? I guess it depends what tradition you look at, and whether you consider some opportunity for confession better than none at all, regardless of how flawed or unsatisfying it might be. What kind of isolation and fear would drive a person to pursue some kind of electronic redemption, rather than face their community, family, or the individual they have wronged and make their confession to them alone.

Community and sharing are not the same as absolution.

I think my Roman Catholic is showing.

Idealism, Ignorance and Ridicule in the Critique of Religion

(N.B. this turned into a giant semi-coherent rant. Read at your own risk. The following constitutes venting.)

The enthusiastic rejection of the claims of religion, the critique of historical events, and the debunking of worldviews and religious axioms are all pretty typical in the first few years of religious studies. They usually arise from the lack-of-fit perceived between the confessional perspective the student is familiar with, and the new academic, social scientific perspective they are being introduced to.

As natural as this stage may be, it’s tragic to me that some people never really get beyond it. Not only is it unfair, and unrealistic, I think that it’s personally damaging and dishonest in the long run.

I don’t think I need to find a boat-load of examples of smarties trying to ridicule religious people for the goof-ball things they believe for you to know what I mean. I have done it myself, when something gets under my skin. A good rant along the lines of “I don’t see how someone can believe something so patently ridiculous” can be a lot of fun. The trick is to have enough self-awareness to realize it’s more of an exercise in ironic self-flagellation than anything else.

The basic problem is that these types of rants are built on faulty logic. It may sound compelling depending on your audience (notably: if it is composed mostly of sycophants) but it’s still irrational. Smarter people than I call this sort of thing an Argument from Incredulity, a form of the fallacious Argumentum ad Ignorantiam. (‘Smarter people than me’ means the people who make wikipedia entries.)

Commonly in an Argument from Personal Incredulity or Argument from Ignorance, the speaker considers or asserts that something is false, implausible, or not obvious to them personally and attempts to use this gap in knowledge as "evidence" in favor of an alternative view of her or his choice. Examples of these fallacies are often found in statements of opinion which begin: "It is hard to see how...," "I cannot understand how...," or "it is obvious that..." (if "obvious" is being used to introduce a conclusion rather than specific evidence in support of a particular view).

Now, when I think of something being ‘proven true’ I, usually, think of something I have proven for myself. My certainty about things, my confidence in how true something is, depends on my experience, my understanding, my values, etc… There’s a sphere of diminishing confidence that radiates out from me, through the people I trust, to the people whose methods I agree with, to the sources of authority I have never thought to question, and out to the matters I don’t personally care about or don’t affect me. This means my knowledge base is in constant flux. The things that I think are plausible or reasonable have changed/will change.

For this reason, there needs to be some room to be wrong and to learn. The things I believe to be true, and the methods I use to justify those beliefs, are imperfect and provisional in regard to certainty. On the one hand, I have all my biases and delusions complicating the clarity of my personal experience, on the other hand, are all the difficulties with authority and responsibility that comes with accepting someone else’s claims about the truth.

So what does this have to do with ragging on Religion for the things it has done? Or the beliefs it promotes?

Well, first of all, these types of discussion usually unfold with two people adopting the roles of ‘Religion’ and ‘Science’ or ‘Reason’ or ‘Heresy’ or whatever, and abandoning their true identities as flawed, mixed-up people trying to figure things out. People defending their personal viewpoints will say things like “Christianity doesn’t promote X”, “History has shown that Y”, “Science tells us that you are full of Z” and so on… Impersonal abstractions replace the flawed individual comprehension of those things, and dishonesty ensues. I realize arguing against the resurrection is a lot easier if you pretend the things you believe are actually the things Science tells people, but are you sure Science told you that? Maybe it was some dude you thought was Science… try to remember, it makes a difference. Not everyone accepts the same sources of authority. Similarly, if you are under the impression Christianity has told you something, you may want to retrace those memories. It was probably a guy in a robe, or something you read in a book written by a guy in a robe.

Idealism is at its worst when abstract universals tell people stuff. I have never found those abstractions trustworthy. So, having made a short point longer than it needed to be, Religion doesn’t do things, or make claims about things. This is important to understand because it unfolds a whole new layer in the history and philosophy of religions for students. Namely, that religion is made out of people, people who screw up, people who get cheesed off, people who lie, people who steal, people with stupid ideas, the whole nine yards. The guys who wrote scripture, ran institutions, wandered around preaching stuff, etc… are no better than the people sitting around you on the bus, or in class, or at the dinner table. The same goes for scientists, they’re no better than you and me, no taken-for-granted reason to substitute their judgment for yours. You need to examine everything, weigh it, finding out who really said what, and why. Frankly, it’s amazing religion and science have accomplished as much as they have…(It’s so easy to slip back into that idealism…) it’s amazing that we have accomplished as much as we have.

I think that covers ‘unfair’ and ‘unrealistic’ and ‘dishonest’.

Now about damaging, pretend you are someone who thinks about things. Just because someone has said something is true doesn’t make it true, right? Even if you’re that ‘someone’, you’ve fooled yourself before, misinterpreted stuff, failed calculus classes, etc… You’re not perfect, but you are moving toward a better understanding of the stuff that interests you. Different people with different skills and interests are all moving along around you pursuing their own junk, at their own speed, and there’re discussions going on where people’s interests collide.

Now imagine you get into a discussion about something you are interested in, with someone who believes things that are completely ridiculous to you. It’s not pure chance that the argument from personal incredulity is also an argument from ignorance. Those beliefs are ridiculous to you because you are ignorant, you don’t understand the person you are talking to, you don’t understand the beliefs they are trying to share, or something…there’s a disconnect.

Now is a good time to ask yourself why you are engaged in this discussion. If you want to learn more about the thing you are interested in, there’s apparently a whole new, wildly different, perspective you could find out about if you engage this person honestly, keeping in mind your own uncertainty, your history of being wrong and the learning that arose from it.

Letting your incredulity act as a sign of dismissal is seriously damaging to your learning opportunities.

On top of this is the damage you do to yourself by ridiculing someone else’s beliefs. The person might be wildly wrong, illogical, with bad grammar, and it’s still kicking yourself in the teeth if you ridicule them for it. What’s important is that you are able to continue to learn, and to do that you need to be wrong, you need to work on your logic, and your communication skills. Every student needs that space to be wrong and grow. Don’t think you are ahead of some people or behind others. That’s not possible without shared goals. Our individual growth isn’t headed in a unified direction.

Learn what you can and let them be wrong, you can’t learn for them.

That’s about as close to stream-of-consciousness writing as I’ll ever get.